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...threatens to make her 4 year old ride home in the truck of the car if he doesn't stop screaming at the top of his lungs from the back seat?

Understand, it's a small car. Take into account that the child has a very healthy set of lungs. Keep in mind that it had been a very long day at the office for me, but not as long as it was for his teachers, judging from the reports I'd had to sign and the call I'd gotten at work from the director of the center asking, "Do you have any suggestions on how we can handle him when he gets like this?"

She was sympathetic. Her own child is bipolar, she told me. But we need to find a solution for my son's acting out. I agreed.

I talked to my little guy about what all he'd done that day, including biting a child who had dared attempt to play with "his dirt" on the playground (he must have been building a dirt structure and another boy tried to commandeer the soil for his own nefarious purposes).

My son was outraged that his teacher had written notes to me. What happens at daycare is supposed to stay at daycare, in his mind. That they could disclose his antics to his mother seemed like a huge invasion of privacy. The idea made him scream in fury.

My threat was implied. After an order to stop screaming didn't get him to stop, I casually asked, "Do you want to ride home in the trunk of the car? It's dark in there, but you could scream all you wanted."

I felt like a heel, but those muffled sobs were so much easier to listen to.

He doesn't need to know that I would never do that to him.

We'll just keep that our little secret.

Shhhhhhhhh.


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Date: 2009-02-19 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serene-orange.livejournal.com
pfft.. I've said worse

I'm not a parent but...........

Date: 2009-02-19 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] simplecity2htwn.livejournal.com
I think that all is fair in love and parenting. If it took a (hollow) threat about a ride home in the trunk, next to the trunk monster, with a detour trip to WalMart to get him to give you the peace you needed, it's all good in my book. If somebody with a badge and an official title were to disagree, don't worry, I'll be there everyday at your trial as a show of support.

Date: 2009-02-19 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] millysdaughter.livejournal.com
I actually like that line. I may borrow it myself.

Date: 2009-02-19 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magsmom.livejournal.com
Please, that's nothing. When one son would complain that the other had a bigger piece of cake or some such thing I would say "Oh, I like him better than you" Of course I said it equally to both of them, so it evens out.

And I love the Vegas Daycare.

Date: 2009-02-19 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ignusfaatus.livejournal.com
dear little boy,
your mother is all knowing and all seeing. It is part of why you were given to her. You can not fool her. ever. She was made for you.

dear mom,
cement this in his mind now. You will really thank me when he is 13

Re: I'm not a parent but...........

Date: 2009-02-19 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
Thanks man. I'm holding you to that.

Date: 2009-02-19 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
Be my guest. It works like a charm! ;D

Date: 2009-02-20 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martina-d.livejournal.com
You are awesomeness. We'd SO get along in RL. ;)

Date: 2009-02-20 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
I don't doubt you one bit. ;)

Date: 2009-02-20 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
Becoming a parent has made me appreciate my own mother with all her sarcasm, empty threats, and most of all the times she locked herself in the bathroom and said, "Leave me alone! If you kids don't leave me alone for just 10 minutes, I swear I'm running away from home and then you won't have a mommy anymore. Then what will you do?"

At the time, I thought she was nuts. Now, it all makes perfect sense to me...

Date: 2009-02-20 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
:) Will do.

Date: 2009-02-20 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
I don't if I always feel brave, valiant, or wise, but I make every attempt to convincingly fake it all on a daily basis...

Date: 2009-02-20 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noblwish.livejournal.com
LOL! Damn kids.

Date: 2009-02-20 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noblwish.livejournal.com
Kids have to learn consequences SOMEHOW! The PTBs no longer let a parent force a kid to go outside and choose their own switch (much less use it on them), so now we've got schools full of kids who wreak havoc taking revenge on so-an-so and blaming Mrs.-such-an-such and clogging up the system with MOUNTAINS of paperwork all because they didn't realize there might be consequences to calling another child a bad name.

Why, yes, I did have a phone conversation with my mother tonight. Why do you ask?

Date: 2009-02-20 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerieariel.livejournal.com
LOL, you gotta do what you gotta do. And here comes some advice you didn't ask for: No more sugar till he starts bringing home happy faces :)

Date: 2009-02-20 10:11 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-20 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] millysdaughter.livejournal.com
My response to tattling was always "OK, we will have him shot at sunset."
I used the line for many years while working in an elementary school, with full approval of my principal. Of course, now federal law prohibits this -- you pretty much cannot use the words "shot/shoot/gun" in a school building at all.

Date: 2009-02-20 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenelycam.livejournal.com
I always threaten to throw my kids out the window. Of course they know better, but still...

That or sell them on ebay.

I'm all for ideas on stopping a biter. I have on in MY daycare and the other mother/father are getting pissed, though they understand there is only so much I can do. They're only 2.5...and so you're limited as far as parental discipline too, as I'm sure you know well.

*HUGS NINA TIGHT* WE know you'd never do that to him...

Date: 2009-02-20 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] basketcaselady.livejournal.com
I know a few people who never made threats, never punished, never yelled, always reasoned with and never taught consequences to their kids. They grew up and became drug addicts and other types of criminals without exception. They, simply put, were not nice people (the kids when they grew up) because they didn't have to be.

My kids on the other hand behaved well for the most part. They were punished when they misbehaved and felt the consequences of their behavior quite firmly. Simply put, they were held accountable. I used to threaten them with child abuse--yes--a beating. Of course they never were abused, but they knew when that threat was pulled out, they were close to unpleasant consequences and it was best not to go there. They also believed in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

This lasted for years until once when threatened with a beating, my middle school age son threatened to report me for child abuse. I picked up the phone and said, "Let me dial the number for you. But you better have some place else to live because you're not coming back here."

That worked another couple years until once again he challenged me, and told me to dial the number. So I rang up the non-emergency number to the police. I can't remember what the argument was about. But they sent an officer out. He listened to me, listened to my son, then read him the Riot Act on how good he had it and how he REALLY needed to behave better. He also offered to remove him from the house but my son declined.

Date: 2009-02-20 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
That we were. Beautiful and damned. We heard it on a daily basis. :)

Date: 2009-02-20 07:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-20 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
I didn't mention it, but it wasn't an entirely empty threat. I really wanted to put him in the trunk. I wouldn't, but I wanted to.

By the way, I live in Tomball, Texas. Aka, Redneckville. I promise you, if I were inclined to beat my son with a switch out here, no one would raise an eyebrow. I just think there are more effective means of discipline.

Date: 2009-02-20 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
There is no candy or ice cream on the days he behaves badly, nor is there any television. He sulks a little, but takes these things in stride.

Date: 2009-02-20 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
But I so wanted to put him in the trunk. I wouldn't, but when I made the threat there was a good reason I was able to sound so sincere. :P

2 year olds are generally on the verge of outgrowing the behavior. My kid is still engaged in a behavior that other kids gave up over a year ago, which draws attention.

On the up side, I've peaked at his teacher's notebook (she keeps a little diary on her desk about what happens each day in class), and there are a couple of other very aggressive boys who hit, kick and throw things whose names come up a lot more often than my son's does. When he's good, he's pretty good. It's just that on the nights that he doesn't get to sleep (like the night before this last episode) or he feels a little bad, he's a little hellion. *sigh*

*hugs Dawn back*

Date: 2009-02-20 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
The world has gone made.

Then again, when I was little we used to sing a song to the tune of "The Battlefield of the Republic" that went like:

My eyes have seen the glory
of the burning of the school;
we have tortured every teacher,
we have broken every rule;
we're gonna hang the principle
by his necktie after school
our day is marching on...

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Teacher hit me with a ruler;
met her at the door with a loaded .44
and she ain't my teacher no more!


I guess the difference was, back then we didn't mean it...

Date: 2009-02-20 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] millysdaughter.livejournal.com
I remember that song!

Date: 2009-02-20 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neanahe.livejournal.com
LOL!

Teenagers; gotta love them. Hard to like them, but you still gotta love them.

I believe in discipline. Without discipline, a child doesn't learn self discipline.

I guess the reason I felt guilty is that I was only half kidding. I really wanted to put him in the trunk if he didn't stop screaming. I knew I couldn't and shouldn't, but I so wanted to. :P

Date: 2009-02-20 07:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-20 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenelycam.livejournal.com
But it's nice that it's not constant for him. I have naughty kids that are naughty every single day without fail. I could take a little naughtiness if there was some goodness thrown in there, ya know? And you know the cause of his episodes. Not that you can always do something about it, but you have a reason.

Date: 2009-02-20 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noblwish.livejournal.com
I always heard the worst part about gettin' switched was having to pick out the switch yourself.

Date: 2009-02-20 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] basketcaselady.livejournal.com
Ahh...but I DID want to beat them at times :)

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